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Scoring deck planking on Dumas PT-109 kit, How do I score the Scoring deck planking on Dumas PT-109 kit?
rktman56
post Sep 23 2006, 05:53 PM
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This comes from a member of our old board. I was reading through the old posts and come on this. Maybe it could be of some use to someone. wink.gif

Gentlemen: I am building the 33" Dumas (wood kit) PT-109 and it is supplied with 1/16" thick baltic birch plywood for the deck covering. I also have a Revell plastic model of the '109 and it shows deck planking. I would like to "score" lines in the plywood to simulate individual planks. Dumas does not make any mention of this detail in the kit. Any ideas on how I might accomplish this? Thanks in advance to all who respond.

Karl


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From jde:

I would suggest to go to your local Hobby shop and buy the styrene thin (real Thin Strips, and just lay Mahog Planking or you can find the Chinese Bamboo Calanders and use that as Planking Waterstain ,plus Plastic Varnish using the RR Thin H.O Styrene strips as your dividers .They use these Strips on RR Model Building. Laying your deck is really not that bad, just try a couple of strips on your scrap balsa or Birch wood, use yur tiny drill to pin your first Plank then ly the strip upagainst the plank, use very little Glue just a tiny drop at each end just to hold it there, as the next plank will be tight enough to hold in place, when you Varnish it will hold all together Good Luck:)

I am presently building the Chris Craft 41" 3 cockpit Barre runabout R/C I am thinking about putting a DC Can motor from one of my American flyer Locos to give it some muscle and speed I would need a 18 Volt battery l any thoughts on wether this would Work ?


From jimbo50:

Hi Karl.

The Dumas PT-109 sure is a nice model. It is on my list of future projects.

The deck planking tip suggested above undoubtedly would give a fine authentic look, but if you find it too tedious, consider another method. When I built the Downeast Lobsterboat (30") offered by Midwest Models, I was planning to use planks for the deck, but first I penciled in the lines, using the curve of the scrap wood left behind from popping out the deck cutout. This method allowed me to erase any mistakes, eg planks that didn't look wide enough. When I was done, I realized that I already had the effect I wanted. It looked great. Plus, the pencil can leave either a softer or sharper dilineation, whichever you choose, giving a realistic look of wear and tear, which will keep once the deck is sealed. A number 2 pencil is fine, but draw lightly at first. Once you are sure, you can re-trace the lines with a heavier hand.

There sure is a lot of interest lately in PT-109. Have you seen the DVD by National Geographic called "The Search for Kennedy's PT109". Bob Ballard goes searching for the remains of the boat in the straits where it was sliced in two and sunk. He visits the tiny islands in the Solomons Kennedy and crew swam to that night, and talks to the natives. There is a lot of current down there, so things get scrubbed away down at the bottom, but they eventually find one of the torpedo tubes!


From edmigley:

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Contact Blue Jacket Ship Crafters www.bluejacket.com or 1-800-448-5567 and have them send you a free catalog. They have fine quality scribed decking in all sizes and scales. Every good modeler should have as many catalogs as possible for resource information.

Ed M.
Cranston, RI.


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post Sep 25 2006, 04:52 PM
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Just don't scribe those planks too deep!
The Revell planking is grossly over-done. The Elco PTs had a mix of planked and plywood decks, often the subject of much controversy, and some were said to be fabric covered. The planks were laid close and tight, and are very hard to see in photos.
PT-109 definitely was planked though, as seen in a rare shot of the boat, attached. A series of photos was taken to illustrate how PTs were to be stowed as deck cargo on tankers, and the starring boat happened to be the most infamous PT of all.
This image comes from Frank Johnson's book, "United States PT Boats of WW2".

And, PLEEEEASE, don't put that big honkin' PT-109 decal on the bow. It was never there. The big bow numbers were only used in peacetime, and were only applied to a small number of PTs built before hostilities started...and even those boats had the numbers painted over before they were shipped out. My PT-41 is an example, and she only looked like this for a few weeks after she was launched.

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post Sep 25 2006, 07:11 PM
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Great reply. Thanks for the information Pat. wink.gif

As you have said... "Just don't scribe those planks too deep!" This is a key point. It is very easy to "over do it" when coming to scibing. Remember that on our models, they are a representation of the full sized vessel in miniature. Meaning that if you are trying to model a detail item that is barely noticeable on the prototype, it’s going to be even less noticeable in miniature! For example the scribed decking on my Aziz is exaggerated.





The picture below shows the deck grating that is included in the Harbor Models Mister Darby superstructure kit. The scribed deck plates I feel are over exaggerated for the deck plate lines Harbor Models is trying to represent. Often scribe lines are over exaggerated in plastic models but are accepted by us, the modelers. It really depends on what you the “modeler” will be happy with. If you do not want to enter your model into scale contests then it is extremely doubtful that anyone will get out a ruler and measure your scribe lines.



And Pat, what you said about the large bow decal is invaluable to building a scale model. Below is a picture that drives home your point! blink.gif



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I am new to this discussion board and also quite new to RC Boat modeling. After three years, working off and on, I have recently finished the Dumas 33" PT109 using 2, Speed 600 motors. I am very happy with the looks of the model both on and off the water. It is reassuring to note that you advise not to put the large "PT 109" decal on the bow, as I debated that briefly but rarely saw it in any of the WWII historical pictures, so chose not to put it on.

My next project will be to build a springer tug (to retrieve the PT when the batteries go dead). The local RC Boat club is very much into tugs of all sorts so I have developed an interest in the hobby through them. I am also considering the Billings Hoga Navy tug.

Looking forward to exchange ideas and learn from this site.

Esse
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